Joe Duffy: Yeah, I think there’s really a couple. So one is, as you mentioned, we’re in this all remote world, and so we have to collaborate in new ways. We have to be shipping code online, you know, things like GitOps, you know, really infrastructures code.

Some of these are key enablers, where we can really just collaborate at the level of code. And what we’re seeing is, that’s unlocking a lot more developers getting into the driver’s seat and infrastructure teams wanting to empower developers to do that. We’re calling this developer first infrastructure, and this is a new, emerging thing that we’ve seen over the last year. You know, honestly, teams like, you know, at AWS, and some of the most innovative teams have been doing this for a while now, but we’re seeing much more broad scale adoption. And I think once you do that, the challenge is, okay, how do we move really fast, but not introduce some of these security challenges that you’re alluding to?

You know, the cloud is very complicated. I think CNCF, how many projects do we have now? Over a thousand probably. And so staying on top of that and knowing what the best practices are, that is really a key challenge. And we launched a registry, Pulumi did. And that’s all about bringing best practices to practitioners so that you don’t have to go make the mistakes to find out that you did it wrong. You can just learn from tried and true best practices. I think that’s the next phase, is really up leveling the level of abstraction that we’re all working at.